控制的极限

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主演:伊萨赫·德·班克尔,阿莱克斯·德斯卡,让-弗朗索瓦·斯泰弗南,奥斯卡·贾恩那达,路易斯·托萨尔,帕兹·德拉维尔塔,蒂尔达·斯文顿,工藤夕贵,约翰·赫特,盖尔·加西亚·贝纳尔,西娅姆·阿巴斯,比尔·默瑞,赫克特·科洛梅,玛丽亚·伊萨西,Norma,Yessenia,Paladines,Miguel,Alcíbar,何塞·科尔瓦乔,Richard,Diment

类型:电影地区:西班牙语言:英语年份:2009

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 长篇影评

 1 ) 杀人的极限,泡妞的极限

晚上在家里看贾木许的《控制的极限》,电影很好,但不推荐,因为慢的连我都要看睡着了。片子里除了厚嘴唇的黑人男主角不认识以外,其他的配角都是大明星。男主角是一个练太极的杀手,他在电影开始的时候接受了一个杀人的任务,然后就出发了,他一共去了三个城市,每到一个城市就配合着城市的颜色换上不同的西装,在粉蓝色的城市里穿蓝灰色的西装,在淡黄色的城市他就穿棕色的西装,他穿他的西装到处溜达,却不知道要杀谁,不知道要怎么做,不知道要碰到谁,他在艳阳下走来走去,去美术馆看画展,在露天咖啡馆喝咖啡,每次都要两杯浓缩咖啡,然后一个神色慌里慌张,打扮夸张的接头人就会出现,跟他说几句心里话,再给他一盒火柴,火柴盒里装着一个纸条,他看完纸条就把它吃掉,用咖啡冲服下去,就像冲服一片药丸一样,然后他再到下一个地方去,再做一遍同样的事。

有人给他送来枪,有人给他送来姑娘,他把抢扔掉,姑娘也没搞,他说他工作的时候不搞,姑娘很无奈,姑娘说no gun,no cellphone,no sex,it's boring。姑娘叹了一口气,她鲜脆欲滴的身体粉白得好像刚摘下来的水蜜桃,每夜赤裸着在他面前晃来晃去,伴着他入睡,但是他既不搞,也不睡,他整夜整夜的醒着,一个城市一个城市的醒着,看日出日落,从电影的开始倒最后,他一直醒着,从来不睡。

BILL MURRY在哪呢?我在演员表里看到他的名字写的比谁的都大,可两个小时过去了,这老家伙还没出现,后来我意识到他一定是那个要被杀掉的人。当杀手接受任务的时候,大佬就告诉他为什么要去杀那个人——因为他认为自己比别人都重要的人,他必须死。这样他才会知道生命的真相。他会知道,生命只是一抹尘土。BILL MURRY就是那个觉得自己比别人更重要的人,他将在电影的最后,化为一抹尘土,负责知道生命的真相。

我看到这句话的时候就乐了,那只是电影的开头,我还不知道他要晃悠这么长时间,吃这么多纸条,喝这么多咖啡呢。所以每当他吃完一个纸条,喝完一次咖啡,我就想,BILL MURRY快来了吧,可是BILL MURRY 还是没有出现,杀手还是在城中游荡,我发现他有点O型腿,但是他走路的姿态摇摇晃晃的很有趣,电影慢慢的进行着,慢的我要睡着了,于是我抽了根烟还吃了一块话梅糖,我已经很久不抽烟也很久不吃话梅糖了,可是我被这电影搞得实在太无聊了我得找点事儿干,BILL MURRY,那个必须死的人还是没有出现,于是我又无聊的想起了曾经和一个男人的对话,男人给我讲他泡妞的心得,他说你可以把那些女人想象成一棵棵树,泡妞就好像砍树。如果你不动,时间就静止在某一刻,然后你就可以任意的砍树了。后来我和男人一起吃过一次饭,我看着他修长的手指握着一把叉子和一把刀把一块鸡肉翻过来调过去,调过去翻过来,就莫名其妙的又想起了砍树的事。我想树一定很郁闷,树说,你到底是要砍啊还是要砍啊还是要砍啊?求求你砍了我吧,你再不砍我都要睡着了。

追求速度不是控制的极限,所谓控制的极限,就是慢。贾木许是这个意思吗?也许吧。慢速的运动最需要控制力,这个我到是知道的,是因为这个,贾木许才让他的黑人杀手在电影里足足晃荡了两个小时,从一个城市晃到另一个城市,一个城市比一个城市荒凉,到最后,只剩下一片荒野,男人穿着银灰色的西装,看着山谷里的壁垒森严的别墅。手里只有一根从旧吉他上摘下的琴弦作为杀人武器。可是他怎么进去呢?

BILL MURRY终于出现了,他发现他把自己和一个杀手锁在了一起,第一句话问的也是和我的同一个问题,你是怎么进来的?他生气的问。男人说:靠想象。然后我就笑得不行了,心里想贾木许你是个神经病啊,你能不能别闹,你太不像话了不带你这么玩的,你带着我晃悠了这么大半天最后给我来了这么一句话,还是黑泽大爷厚道啊,椿三十郎那神奇的一招我以为他使不出来接过最后他真的老老实实的给我们演示了一下,你这也太赖了,简直是逗你玩啊。

好吧,你们都好有境界,我佩服你们都是大师好啦,杀人的极限,泡妞的极限,都是控制的极限,导演迷恋的也是这一份控制的极限,而最后如何杀人,到了那结果的时候,反倒不重要了。而我这种没啥控制力的人呢,就跟着没事瞎看看热闹,我迷恋的是胡思乱想无极限,你们游荡,你们静止,你们控制,我就在这里胡思乱想无边无沿,大佬说:宇宙没有界限,现实是由主观思维决定的,大佬的翻译就直瞪眼儿:这句也要我翻译?我都不知道是啥意思。我乐得歪歪的,就想到我也可以编出很多听上去很玄的话,比如我听过一句话,有人问登山爱好者,为什么要登山,得到的回答是:因为山在那里,我想这句话也可以改编成:

为什么要泡妞,因为妞在那里。

怎么样,听上去很唬人吧。一下子就上升到哲学境界了吧。我是没啥控制力,可是我会瞎扯,要不怎么说,精神病人思维广呢。最关键的是,你在看这么一个神经病电影的时候,你几乎无聊的啥都能胡嘞嘞出来。不过我还挺喜欢它的,不知道是不是因为它到了无聊的极限,好像这无聊的生命的缘故。


最后,再次果断的不向每个人推荐这个电影,除非你失眠的话。

 2 ) FILM OF THE WEEK (AND INTERVIEW

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May 1, 2009


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FILM OF THE WEEK (AND INTERVIEW): The Limits of Control
Jim Jarmusch, THE LIMITS OF CONTROL Who knew that a Jim Jarmusch film could be the most divisive of the year thus far? I'm not ready to address The Limits of Control and all the knee-jerk, unconstructive naysayings I've read that don't actually engage with what the film is or how it does (or doesn't) work, at least until I see it a second time, since I was too mesmerized by the experience to take many notes. In lieu of that, I present to you the extended version of an interview I did with Jarmusch for IFC.com, the first part of which can be found here.

GREENCINE DAILY: Wong Kar-Wai once told me that when working with cinematographer Christopher Doyle, they share a largely unspoken, instinctual shorthand with one another. Was your relationship with Doyle similar?

JIM JARMUSCH: We were more the opposite, man. We talked and talked and talked incessantly. When I was preparing, he would come to New York for a week and a half at a time, maybe three times. We spent every day together for eight hours, just talking about the film, not about the film, about things we saw on the street, about photographs Chris had taken, looking at unrelated things, and listening to music. I've known Chris quite a long time, 12 or 15 years. I love just talking to him about anything. He's very quick, so sometimes he'll say things to me, philosophical things we're discussing that I don't understand what his point is, and then a few days later when I'm not with him, I'll be thinking it over and be like, "Oh! I see what he meant." I don't know if I'm just slow, or if his ideas are hard to enter sometimes.

Isaach De Bankolé, THE LIMITS OF CONTROL Speaking of music, I'm a big Boris fan, who is all over the soundtrack. I read that you had already planned to fill the film with this conceptual Japanese noise-rock while still sketching it out. What's your process of matching image to music?

When I'm writing or trying to think up an idea for a film, I hone in on music that seems to open up my imagination for that particular world in my head. That happens very early over and over, like Neil Young for Dead Man, or [for Ghost Dog,] RZA's beats and instrumental tracks on the B-sides of vinyl Wu-Tang stuff I was collecting. Or Mulatu Astatge in Broken Flowers was inspiring me, and I was like, "How the hell do I get Ethiopian music in a film about a guy in the suburbs?" So then it led me to have Jeffrey Wright's character be of Ethiopian origin. In this case, it was Boris and Sunn 0))), and that electric feedback-y soundscape stuff they make that I love so much. Those things came very early, while I was even just writing the 25-page treatment—well, it was more like a prose short story that we started from. So they were sort of in a little boat I was in, going down the river. I had them inspiring me. Then I got Earth in the movie and a lot of great stuff. I love the Black Angels, but I only used a little instrumental piece at the end of their song, "You on the Run." Anyway, those things were there very early, but the music always leads me. That's always happened.

Tilda Swinton, on the set of THE LIMITS OF CONTROLI stay abreast of new music by geeking out on music blogs, but how do you find all this cool music? Do you still go to a lot of record stores, or do friends keep you tuned in to new artists?

I'm not a Web guy because I don't have a computer, although I often ask people to look stuff up for me. I don't know, it's sort of a general antenna because I love music. You know, there are music stores that in the past I depended on a lot, like Final Vinyl, that used to be great to order things anywhere in the world that were in print, or what's his name, that little shop on Bowery just south of 8th street. Damn, I love that guy. He's always been really cool. There's Other Music, and in New Paltz, there's Rhino Records that is really run unlike any kind of Rhino chain—the guy there, Rick, is amazing. Those record stores are important, but they've been less so for me recently, maybe because I haven't stopped in very much. I always read the British music press, and I try to listen to what underground radio exists, or college-type radio. I'm just always scanning, and I've always been that way, like, music, music, music. I love to get playlists off of [Jersey City's] WFMU or WVKR in Poughkeepsie—Vassar has a good radio station. WFUV has a good morning show in New York, and there's some underground hip-hop shows on WKCR, the Columbia station. There's the beautiful Sunday morning country shows that I listen to, classic country.

I love radio, and I love finding things randomly. Like, I don't have TiVO for TV because I keep thinking, "Well, then I'll just program everything and I won't scan," and scanning is when you find things you weren't expecting. Not that TV isn't, for the most part, a big wasteland of garbage. But you do learn things if you scan around, more than if you have a programmed idea of what you're going to watch. I don't watch that much TV. I watch Turner Classic Movies, science shows and Antiques Roadshow, you know this one? I love Antiques Roadshow. I have this thing I always imagine. Okay, they think suddenly, they have some vase and it's worth $8,000, you know? I always equate it to: what kind of a used car could they buy with it? [Jarmusch makes a sad horn noise] "You can buy a 1986 Honda Civic!" I don't know why I do that... I'm going off in stupid places.

Bill Murray, surrogate Dick Cheney No, I appreciate it. Now, I know why Bill Murray is so great in your films, but what's so great about working with him? In the press notes for this film, you mentioned that you two liked to "talk around the character."

Yeah, we like to talk about it in the past. What's really fascinating about Bill is that, since I've known him, his procedure is always evolving. When I first worked with him in Coffee and Cigarettes, he wanted to pretty much improvise everything, and he didn't want to talk about it or rehearse it. Then with Broken Flowers, no rehearsing, no specifics, but we would take long, long walks for hours at a time, and talk about things that eventually affected our idea of that character. I thought he would improvise a lot, and he said, "I want to stick close to the script." Then in this film, he said, "I want to rehearse, and I want to do the dialogue as written. I don't want to add anything." So that was even a different step. He's just an interesting work in progress. I'm always a little surprised, like, "How does he want to approach it this time?"

That's fun, and I learn a lot from Bill about a lot of things, especially human nature. His capacity to observe and feel what people are feeling, even strangers, is uncanny. I've seen him numerous times run out of his way to help somebody try to get something out of the trunk of their car, or help with their luggage at the airport, or in a restaurant, talk to someone he doesn't even know that looks sort of down. He'll go over and respond to that: "Hey, the world hasn't ended yet, what's going on?" Amazing. He's really observant with compassion, so I love to just hang out with Bill and see how he's going to react to what we encounter in the world. I learn more from that, maybe, than anything specifically about acting, preparing or filmmaking, because it's all intertwined in the end. I really liked having him play somebody with not an ounce of humor this time, which might be frustrating for people's expectations. I don't know, that's not my problem. I choose the actors I want for the best collaboration to create something, and I really liked him being nasty and condescending. Every fucking school principal or authority figure I've ever had in my life has always, at some point, said, "You just don't understand how the world really works." Hearing Bill's character say those lines for me, I don't know. I certainly heard that a lot in my life.

The Limits of Control opens today in New York and Los Angeles, then expands to more cities beginning May 8. For more information, visit the official website.

 3 ) 像一部小说

影片讲了一个杀手的任务之旅,充满诗意。依然是反戏剧性的设计。当迷幻喜剧片看的话就挺不错。基本就是讲这个杀手和一个又一个的人接头的过程,最终杀掉目标,然后踏上下一段任务之旅。

这部影片有非常重的后面《唯爱永生》、《帕特森》甚至是《丧尸未至》的影子。但想讲的可能跟这三部比都少多了。感觉像是在实验用影像配合迷幻乐表达那些感受。但真的很棒。比如几次主角看画、一次下地铁与一个坐着的老人对视、喝咖啡的时候看路人等。充满诗意…(这种表达也在后面《帕特森》里达到一种顶峰)

配乐上非常像唯爱永生,用了大量小调五声的迷幻乐,以吉他为主。用法也和唯爱永生的相似。加强人物感受的张力,非常有贾木许的风格,特别喜欢。

摄影上也像唯爱永生,但不得不说和唯爱永生比差多了。这部影片和早期的也挺不同,开始用了不少特写。但个人感觉确实差点意思,感觉像是后面风格的萌芽阶段。

 4 ) the limits of control

Suspicion.

Hitchcock.

Are you interested in films, by any chance?

I like really old films

You can really see what the world looked like...

... thirty, fifty, a hundred years ago

You know the clothes, the telephones, the trains...

... the way people smoked cigarettes...

... the little details of life

The best films are like dreams

You’re never sure you’ve really had

I have this image in my head

of a room full of sand

And a bird flies towards me, and dips its wing into the sand

And I honestly have no idea...

... whether this image came from a dream, or a film

Sometimes I like it in films when people just sit there,

Not saying anything

Have you seen “the lady from Shanghai,”

Orson Welles?

That one makes no sense

Rita Hayworth as a blonde

I think it’s the only film she’s ever a blonde in

It’s like a game, deception, glamour...

...a shootout with shattered mirrors

She dies in the end

Do you like Schubert, by any chance?

I love him

He died when he was thirty one years old

Something like that

 5 ) 控制的极限便是控制内心

一个杀手,或许根本不是杀手的一个人的一次内心净化之旅。音乐,电影,性欲,科学,药品都是诱惑,而现实是丑恶的,最后“杀手”运用“imagination”杀死了作为“现实” 的黑帮老大。

看过ghost dog 的人能更加理解这个电影,从很长时间起,jarmusch开始关注内心,ghost dog和现在说的‘控制的极限’都表达他对东方哲学的一种理解,即物质是虚幻的,完成内心的修炼就可以改变整个世界,杀手完成了内心的修炼,脱下工作服换上轻松的运动装完成涅槃。

所谓控制的极限,控制的极限便是控制内心。

 6 ) 不是玩过头了

而是还没玩够。整个电影很简单,讲的就是艺术与现实的对抗。在最后艺术居然如此轻巧地战胜了现实,既不符合实际,也显得过于乐观。略显做作的是,贾木许过于死板地让每个与主角见面的线人在见到主角之后都要说一段与艺术有关的话,这些段落一两次尚可,越到后面越感觉别扭,有没话找话的感觉。不禁让人疑问,贾木许凭什么认为在这样的情境下将话题猛地转换到艺术并开始自说自话是很自然的呢?当然,也许他就是为了做得不自然。 然而,主角观看弹吉他跳舞唱歌的桥段仍然值得回味。而在最后,主角在与现实的角力中获胜之后,再回到艺术馆,这才可以真正悠闲地观看一幅白布做成的艺术品。这样的场景虽然过于乐观,但也确实让人欣慰。

 短评

多么好看的一部贾木许电影啊,我简直快要晕厥了!对于迷恋贾木许的淫来说,这简直太好懂太直白了,沉浸在自身幻想中的骚逼,都直接去谋杀某种现实了,囧。但片子整个就是好看啊好看!

4分钟前
  • 小老鼠
  • 力荐

眼睛女的乳房不对称

7分钟前
  • 东门
  • 还行

我睡着了

12分钟前
  • litter良
  • 较差

Spectacular! He knew how to control the pace and he knew when to push the limit。。。冷艳从容

17分钟前
  • k-pax
  • 力荐

杀手咖啡喝了一路,纸条也吃了一路.,听了一路艺术讲座.

18分钟前
  • 麻木斯基
  • 还行

3.5/5。装逼的极限。杀手鼻孔君是《鬼狗杀手》的配角,面瘫,练气功,喜吃纸,很可能是阳痿。

20分钟前
  • Don't Panic!
  • 推荐

我觉得副题可以叫做 文艺青年意淫记 现实中的主角肯定是一白人、以为自己很文艺,老去798看画,迷恋中国功夫实则手无缚鸡之力,未婚爱看毛片,愤青,生活很不规律,不会说西班牙语,没吃过纸,其实觉得咖啡很难喝但是每天都强迫自己喝以显示品味。。。总之和电影反着理解就行了 哈哈

22分钟前
  • 琧婯
  • 推荐

这是贾木许向科波拉的《没有青春的青春》回应的作品么?庄子学说?除了后摇的音乐和杜可风完美的风光片摄影,整部电影皆是虚妄,我也像杀手一样控制住了自我的极限~

27分钟前
  • 大奇特(Grinch)
  • 很差

吃太多纸鼻孔会变大

29分钟前
  • 陈发发
  • 还行

如果老贾能将片子的节奏X4,那么会有更多的人挑大拇哥,不过对于失眠,夜间思考动物们来说,这片儿绝了~

33分钟前
  • kingkongofkhan
  • 还行

很多做作 有趣 周而复始的片段。"你会讲西班牙语吗?" "两杯espresso 分两杯装" 国家艺术博物馆。。。。讲不出好坏,但是我看的很开心。而且最令人惊喜的是,男主的神游的时候我也莫名的在神游,所以所有干涩沉默的片段我都直接跳过了。。。

37分钟前
  • Miss桃樂絲
  • 推荐

沉闷

38分钟前
  • 麦子
  • 较差

正合口味

40分钟前
  • 三角形的办公室
  • 推荐

“自认为比别人都大的家伙一定要去墓地,在那里他将懂得什么是真实的世界!”……贾木许说此舞入影纯属巧合。通过与女舞者聊天得知,她专门表演一种太极式的弗拉门戈,全是手部的慢动作,叫做贝特涅拉斯,由于历史厄运等缘故,算是弗拉门戈音乐家们的某种禁忌,所以都不太爱去表演。此舞多以死亡和爱情悲剧为主题,导演请她为控制的极限创作一段,几周后……就是大家在片中见到的。

45分钟前
  • 赱馬觀♣
  • 还行

And I suppose you believe that by eliminating me, you will eliminate control over some fucking artificial reality. 不是谋杀的杀手,用琴弦诛杀号称音乐与电影等艺术为毒药的“政客”?用绿色的火柴和双份浓缩咖啡来表达极简而繁复的镜头语言。

49分钟前
  • Memento Mori
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保持沉默 抬高鼻孔 拒绝枪炮手机 坚持太极 坚持两杯咖啡 一杯品味另一杯来消灭交际 如此修炼必能突破极限 享受生命的虚无轻佻!

51分钟前
  • 翠西 。o 0 O
  • 力荐

杀手是从自己鼻孔里潜入堡垒刺杀比尔默瑞的……

54分钟前
  • 皮革业
  • 还行

不知所云,但却居然很舒服。整体情绪和结构,被控制得如一首处处冲突密集而不发轫的Ambient Doom。算是贾木许在展现自己的太极修炼。

58分钟前
  • seamouse
  • 推荐

贾木许是不是相当喜欢拍这样多语言的电影?一个漫画感十足的黑人,两杯等待的咖啡,一些戴墨镜的家伙,红绿火柴盒的信息传递,以及一个注定要被意念诛杀的Bill Murray, BM在僵尸之地中客串的也不错。红绿火柴盒其实就跟黑客帝国里的那俩药丸一样。这电影给我的感觉相当神棍。

60分钟前
  • 恶魔的步调
  • 推荐

贾木许的杀手片,跟大伙的都不一样。西部片死人已阅,差个武士片鬼狗

1小时前
  • 衫弃
  • 很差