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"I started a fund for my dead friend daughter...she is very young........I hope to be alive when she turns 21 because I am going to give her those money myself. And by then, by then, I will be ready to had a conversation that I am not ready to have today. That I will tell that little girl. 'young lady, I know your father and he was a wonderful WOMAN ......(关于他自杀的变性男性盆友)
我同时流了眼泪与大笑~
严格意义上讲,我不是 Dave Chappelle 的粉丝,所以对他的新专场并没有太大兴趣。
直到美国左派团体要求奈飞下架,我立刻去看。
在总长 72 分钟的表演里,如果你有耐心听完前面 40 多分钟相对不大好笑的部分,到结尾前那个令人捧腹又心碎的故事开始,你才发现,前面的冗长沉闷,明明是一场密谋的草蛇灰线。
如果只从喜剧的角度出发,或许有人觉得意识形态表达过多,甚至根本就是演员本人的一碗苦水,但我认为,以当今美国舆论的政治化语境来看,作为 S+ 级(甚至许多人心中史上最伟大)的单口喜剧演员,何苦走这么一遭吃力不讨好的「逆行」?因为谁去扛这只犯众怒的炸药包,谁就要面临断送职业生涯的风险。
当然,也可以理解为大哥到年纪到地位了,他不扛谁扛?这些危险而必要的话,他再不说,还有谁说?
但你我都应该明白,这般沉重艰难的责任,只能自觉自愿。
我的感受是,作为 S+ 级的单口喜剧演员、可能是本世代最伟大的喜剧大师,Dave Chappelle 没有沉浸在「众人皆醉我独醒」的失败主义幻梦中,也没有藏在大多数同行选择的机会主义沉默堡垒中自保(没有他们必须出来发声的意思),而是直面当今美国最危险的敌人,用自己毕生所学,以复杂之技艺、以无畏之胆识、以诗意之精神,向其开炮。
如果言论自由的旗帜终将降下,那么 Dave Chappelle 的这场谢幕表演,是战斗到最后一刻的那颗子弹。
演出最终在 I Will Survive 中作结,这首片尾曲作为何种主义的化身与立场表达,已不必赘述。
以前看其他专场甚至年轻时奉为神作的表演,我都不大感冒,但从今天起,我是他的粉丝。
看完这一场,Dave Chapelle在我心目中正式超越了George Carlin,成为了当之无愧的GOAT。
Dave在最开始直接奠定整场show的“冒犯级别”:新冠+Space Jews(相信很多朋友看到这儿火气已经上来了,还好他没直接cue China哈哈哈),然后接下来一个小时对女权+LGBTQ疯狂输出。我其实明白为什么有人要求下架,为什么有那么多人骂他,因为我身边也有这样的人:凡事上纲上线,钻牛角尖,凭借elite阶级建立的舆论优势无视法律(i.e. 法不责众,讽刺吧,作为elite打着minority的旗号却利用着“众”的优势,“又当又立”这个词简直被你们玩出花了呢),站在道德制高点以最高尚的理由拼命打击自己群体中需要获益之人。You think you are speaking on behalf of your community, but there are actually a bunch of people within your community who disagree with you, and they are too scared to express themselves precisely because of you!
说几个我印象最深刻的地方吧:
1. Space Jews的call back。本以为一开始占领地球的梗已经很尖锐了,没想到讲着讲着黑奴的故事突然暗示了一波迫害同类。可以想象犹太人笑容僵硬的样子了。
2. 女拳≈frumpy dyke。这段讽刺得太到位了。就像Dave说的,正常人like me去查了女权的定义以后都会觉得自己是个女权主义者。那么问题来了:为什么大家这么讨厌拳师呢?
3. 只身一人干碎metoo。当然了,我希望他对这种在无视法律上无罪假设的前提下直接通过舆论损害被告人名誉的行为能给予更多谴责,不过大概这不是他的focus吧。最搞笑的是,有一次我跟一个朋友争论这一点,我说这样侵犯他人名誉权的行为不可取,然后她气急败坏地来了一句:那你让他们去告啊。xswl那你咋不直接让那些声称受到性侵的人去告呢?反倒在社媒上写起小作文来了。
4. Gay people are minorities until they need to be White again。一针见血。请各位把各种minority和majority都代入到上述句式中理解,我觉得可以将其命名为The Chapelle Formula。
5. 为JK罗琳平反。作为哈利波特的粉丝我实在太欣慰了。A fact is a FACT。事发那段时间我其实有想要为罗琳发声的,but who dares, right?
6. 最后那个令人心碎的故事。就像我最开始所说的,很多所谓的某些movement的参与者的行为,真正打击的是自身群体中最需获利的底层人们。这帮人连底层人民需要什么都不知道就搁那瞎几把指指点点。就好像有的外国人成天嚷嚷着中国没有投票权blahblah,如果他们真的去穷地方看过就会知道Voting right doesn’t mean SHIT to those people. They just fucking need MONEY! Oh and guess what? They constitute >95% of the entire goddamn population!Surprise, you bitchass dumb middle- and upper-class motherfuckers!然后你再看看国内这三十年扶贫的成绩,懂?
最后我想说,“冒犯”是喜剧的一部分,如果你能在自身群体被“冒犯”时还能笑得出来,你才真的配得上欣赏喜剧。拿周老板(天花板,OG)在脱口秀大会第四季的几个段子来举例:
1. 装修。装修工人听到这段子会笑吗?装修三连难道真是师傅前两下没看准吗?显然不是。
2. 买药。药师有周老板说的那么夸张吗?至少我从小到大去药店买药,我说要什么他就给我什么,从来没碰到过段子里的那种人。
3. 机场摆渡车。机场工作人员听了会不会很无语?摆渡车司机想东拐西拐地开车吗?不想吧。但是不这么开就被飞机碾死了。
4. Listen to Baibai。国内的外教都是在国外犯过事的吗?不是吧,顶多就是良莠不齐而已。
所以喜剧的冒犯性追根究底是某种程度上的“以偏概全”——正是这种“偏”让大家笑了出来。这就是为什么大部分美国脱口秀演员都只拿自身群体开涮(最明显的就是钱信伊,欧阳万成这些亚裔演员,抑或Whitney Cummings这种女性演员),因为这是最稳妥的不会冒犯到他人的方式。Dave完全可以像许多黑人演员一样只讲racism,但他选择了跳出自己的群体,迎着cancel culture逆流而上。The right way, not the easy way。
It takes one to know one。致以Dave我最崇高的敬意,也希望某些人能真正去了解别人需要什么,而不仅仅是“以为别人需要什么。”
这场被网飞到处举报下架,动用花式搜索才找到。
脱口秀演员Trevor有次和Dave一起表演,非常紧张,担心自己不够搞笑。Dave对他说,(大意)干这行的,搞笑的人太多了。人们不是因为你特别能搞笑,而是因为你有趣aka你独有的经历和所思才来看演出。这段话对Trevor克服脱口秀演员的一大噩梦——“他们没在笑!”起到了作用,他知道,只要观众还在认真听就可以了。
Dave Chappelle的演出是这样的。他并不最搞笑的,但他吸引人听他讲话,并引发对他本人的好奇。
我很明显地感觉到,他讲一些段子特别是黄段子,纯粹为了娱乐观众,套路式引爆笑声,挣钱糊口。大多时间里,他应该都不是在想怎么创造出更多的黄段子出来。 因为好奇,大概了解了一下他的人生,两个想法。
第一,求真的人本来就与名利无缘,太难过的话,就太天真了。
第二,有些事情懂得了,但是太晚了。孩子生了两个,不得不挣钱;把黑人平权标签死死焊在身上,只好抗住。
这场里,讲得最好是关于犹太人和黑人的段子。至于LGBTQ,和阶级、种族比起来,本来就是用不着那么多公共资源去讨论的时代议题。他谈论这些群体,因为身在当代的舆论场,不得不被拖下场回应。
犹太人和黑人。他们都经历过非人的生活,他们逃离,又回到来时的地方,想要占领和统治,包括和他们曾经处境一样的人。
为什么人会这么做?
因为人想要的根本不是公平正义,既不是自己的,也不是别人的。人只想做一个,在现有的奖励制度(incentive)下,做一个“成功人士”。
无论是cancel culture/zzzq,还是追求做个“成功人士”,你我都清楚,这不过是表述上的差别。哪里都一样。
-我讲了一个好段子,绝了真的好棒!-但别误解啊,求你们好好听听我在说什么。-哈,你们说我在打压你们?-可我好朋友死了我的段子死了我的生涯死了。-求你们不要打压喜剧……
最大感觉就是他真的很努力在说好脱口秀了,就差跪在地上求大家-认真听别人说说话吧。听话听音,这么一个天才,明明可以轻松的炸场,可现在就很累很疲惫。且看且珍惜,这一代的脱口秀演员们越来越少了。
今天回来翻翻评论,看到唯二两篇长评清一色的五星,在这里整理了一些外网把我个人对此特辑的想法整理比较好的影评,以供大家参考。
1) trans community 对此的回应
//www.theguardian.com/stage/2021/oct/09/dave-chappelle-letter-trans-comedian-netflix
2) “Dave Chappelle can kiss my Black gay ass”
3) 对cancel culture的探讨
What Goes Up: Dave Chappelle, Transphobi... pastemagazine.com
4)“the colour of queerness”
Column: What I want Dave Chappelle to un... latimes.com
5) 喜剧演员Hannah Gadsby对Netflix CEO 太极拳回应
6)10.28更新:看到了一个比较好的讨论这个特辑的油管视频
7) 貌似是dave自己的一个回应
8)10.30更新: 前面那个油管主对展开事件的讨论
9)Daphne的室友讲述此事件经过
……
以下是我自己的一些思考:
其实在喜剧里老老实实遵守所谓的“政治正确”的人从来不是多数人,随便去个喜剧俱乐部里面讲得东西能放得到台面上的也是少之又少。在此次特辑之前,我对Dave的观感也不是很差,无论是他行云流水的控场能力还是一层层掩埋好等待后续再一一解开的伏笔和笑梗,都是在一般表面以及平白直叙的单口喜剧界很新颖的。我自诩还算看过比较多的单口,Dave的冒犯三俗程度在我看来并不是在所有单口喜剧内的巅峰,虽然stick and stone 并不是我个人的GOAT,但我也能欣赏并被Dave的技巧所折服。
也正因如此,我几乎是在这部特辑刚出时就立刻观看了,彼时豆瓣不知为何连词条都无。我个人认为这部特辑拉的原因有三点,一是炒冷饭,二是不连贯,三是断章取义。
炒冷饭也许大家也能感受到。这部特辑无论是在节奏把握或是在内容选材上就是在炒冷饭,无论是Dave反复的把自己的以前的段子翻出来解释(真实意义上的炒冷饭),还是将以前讲过的元素,比如跨性别朋友的段子就曾出现在他以前某部特辑中,亦或是有些和Reddit上transphobic言论异常相像的段子,都透露着浓浓的似曾相识的味道。
不连贯这点在于整部喜剧的逻辑思维模式。单口喜剧往往是最没有逻辑(比如一些演员们跳跃性,金句式表演)甚至是意识流(提名Dylan Moran),但整体的人设(如果有的话)总归是有连续性的。Dave在此之前一直给我的观感为戏谑的,不拘小节的,有时愤世嫉俗但总体是睿智和尖利的。但这部特辑完完全全将这个印象打碎了,从“LBGTQ”开始我就意识到肯定又哪里不对,再到“I am team TERF”我已经完全懵了。作为一位对酷儿理论以及女权有一定了解的人,我当即的反应就是 “wtf are you talking about Dave”。诚然,这种人设崩塌的观感是非常个人的,每个人对Dave在台上的理解也不同,但我不能理解的是Dave对他自己讲过的笑话的斤斤计较,甚至这特辑的后半场完全就是一场“i am not transphobic because i have trans friend”的虚弱防守。我并不是没有看过“无知”的演员,Jim Jefferies也许是一个比较好的例子,他从不标榜自己是多么的看破世俗以及尖锐,甚至他会自己取笑自己的浅薄,这也使得他对政治的一些洞察更有一种“大智若愚”的感觉。但Dave 在此特辑中展现的是一种居高临下的说教,无论是惊奇状展现“The definition of feminist”还是对LGBTQ群体错误地转称—“LBGTQ”,都透露着一种门外汉的捉襟见肘,听到石墙运动的部分甚至颇有点大腹便便的异性恋中年男人向你解释“什么才是同性恋”的味道。再者就是整体表述的“同理心”主旨。抱歉Dave我真没感受到,假如说《Nannette》意图解构喜剧内核呼唤社会共情的话,此番简直是一场Dave本人没有意识到自己讽刺的讽刺剧。最显著的一点莫过于在大声激呼“Empathy is bisexual, it goes both way”之后,Dave拒绝使用mtf好友的人称代词亦或是其自认为的社会性别,以“Your father, he is a great women”作为结尾。让本人终于因为讽刺而在观看过程中唯一一次放声大笑。
由于本人也不住在漂亮国,对漂亮国的历史也不算太了解,年龄估计也不在Dave的目标观众内,最后经过几番研究才发现Dave在此特辑中有意的断章取义。在这里举两个例子。
1) 断章取义
“Why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than for Cassius Clay to change his name?”
2)Kevin Hart 主持Oscar 事件
A Complete Timeline of Kevin Hart's Osca... google.com.au
(很令人惊奇的是,在当事人都已经承认自己错误的时候,Dave断定是咱LBGTQ把可怜Kevin扯下台)
3)10. 30 更新:Daphne 室友讲述经过
大家自己评判一下,咱Dave是不是她朋友
在这次特辑,将Daphne自杀事件表述为一种"为了为我说话"的结果,是不是脸皮有点厚??
以下是上面链接内Daphne 原室友的回应:
"People ask me if she killed herself because of Dave Chapelle (henceforth called DC) mentioning her in his 2019 special because she ended her life just one week after it came out. Daphne met DC at a comedy club while he was performing. He was telling controversial jokes, and she laughed because she always had a dark sense of humor. But Daphne never told racist jokes or punched down on groups of people. Instead, she used humor to heal from pain; she told self-deprecating jokes and used humor to educate people about trans issues. She never used humor to be hateful.
Before DC’s 2019 special, he really buttered her up, promising to mentor her and take her under his wings. I was suspicious of his antics and didn’t really appreciate his style of humor, but I was happy for Daphne if she was happy.
I watched part of DC’s 2019 special when it came out because Daphne was so excited for it, but I couldn’t even finish it because I felt like it was so offensive to different marginalized groups. But I didn’t want to criticize it because I knew Daphne was excited for the shoutout, even though the mention of her was so quick you could miss it.
Then after Daphne died, it was crickets from Dave Chapelle for months and years after it happened. When a group of her theatre/comedy friends threw a memorial for her in San Francisco, DC didn’t say anything. When her funeral in Pennsylvania happened a couple months later, DC’s team hadn’t reached out to her friends or family. When we planned another memorial for her in SF, we didn’t hear anything from his team. It was like if he said something about her, he would admit that he was responsible for her death.
I’m not going to say I know for sure 100% that Dave Chapelle making fun of Daphne in his 2019 special is what caused her death. I don’t think it was the leading cause, but who knows. Daphne had PTSD from a life of trauma, and she had battled suicidal thoughts for years. I think the final blow was a combination of her losing custody of her daughter, losing her job, and dealing with a lot of transphobic harassment on the streets of San Francisco. I lived with her, and yet I didn’t know how bad she was feeling.
I heard from a friend that Dave Chapelle mentioned her last year in a stand-up comedy routine, and he said how he let her open for one of his stand-up routines but that she “bombed it.” For him to patronize her, demean her, and minimize her talent AFTER her death is cruel and crass. For him to invoke her name as a free pass to continue being transphobic is beyond fucked up.
In the latest Netflix special, he starts his piece about trans people with “I’m not saying trans women aren’t women” but then calls trans vaginas “beyond pussy”. And he says he is a TERF and describes himself as transphobic MULTIPLE TIMES. He mentioned the story of when he met Daphne and when he invited her to open for him. He said that he didn’t know she was an amateur. He says she was dressed well for the performance and admitted, “I’m transphobic, and even I think she looked nice.” OKAY, TELL US HOW YOU REALLY FEEL.
“This bitch bombed for 45 min straight… that show was terrible… but here’s what impressed me… Any other comedian I’ve ever seen, if they bombed as bad as she did, would have snuck out of the theater and gone on home and cried. But she found a seat right in front… she laughed hard like (she didn’t bomb). She was talking to me while I was performing like she was watching the TV alone, but the crowd didn’t like that shit because she sucked….”
And then Daphne told a joke to a heckler, and then they went back and forth and told jokes. DC speaks about a touching moment they had together, but then he says her performance “stunk” again. That’s what 4 times he said she wasn’t funny?! This is how you speak about your dead “friend”? Then he [suddenly] realized she was funny after the performance because she genuinely interacted with the audience. After the show, he said when she hugged him, he pushed her off violently because “I’m transphobic.”
DC: “My friend Daphne killed herself…She identifies as a woman _____[Then he describes how she killed herself],___ clearly only a man would do some gangster shit like that!”
I don’t even know how he found that out because her friends and family didn’t say that publicly. After all, IT’S PRIVATE AND PAINFUL! And beyond that, studies have shown that mentioning how people kill themselves only causes more suicides. But Dave doesn’t care.
He continues..“As hard as it is to hear a joke like that, Daphne would have loved that joke” Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn’t, but SHE KILLED HERSELF AND CAN’T DEFEND HERSELF ANYMORE! He goes on to say, “I don’t know what the trans community did for her, and I don’t care because she was my tribe.”
He says Daphne killed herself because trans people were criticizing her on Twitter… So he’s blaming trans people for causing her death? WTF. That’s some next-level victim-blaming and gaslighting.
He ends his mockery of her by saying he wants to tell Daphne’s daughter, “I knew your father, and HE was a wonderful woman.”
Dave Chapelle doesn’t give a fuck about trans people. He deliberately goes out of his way to make fun of us, even making fun of his alleged friend AFTER her death.
If you are reading this and made it this far, please take a moment to ask Netflix to remove this hateful special. Not because it might offend trans people, but because it might inspire more people to end their life.
Daphne Dorman deserved better."
是谁不听谁说话?是谁是这件事情的受害者?
……
最后,我想说,你当然有喜欢这部特辑的权利,从现在的豆瓣评分以及imdb评分来看大部分人并没有觉得这部特辑哪里有问题。这篇长评也不是为了指责或者是cancel Dave本人或者其粉丝。
我只是觉得惊讶,一位在一次次阐述美国黑人困境的,企图揭露种族歧视事实的人,会对另一部分少数群体境况如此的冷漠与无知。
结尾一声叹息,处处搞网暴,人人红卫兵,不分国界
笑点没前几辑那么密,callback也显得欠打磨,取消文化近几年把单口都整不纯粹了,内核当然可以是醍醐灌顶的双向共情和无法二元归类的复杂人性,但如果你一个三部特辑拿了六千万的单口演员借着LGBTQ群体的话题势头直抒胸臆,其间用干瘪的包袱胡乱搪塞,遮掩单口固有的娱乐本质,是不是也是一种特权阶级的punch down呢?不要搞错,Dave的故事技巧和思考深度确是单口演员中的佼佼者,而反复的老调重弹和不合宜的内容配比则着实让人想念查普尔秀时期。
The GOAT is the GOAT. Fuck your transphobia talking points.
真敢说。过于精彩。
Dave Chappelle后来的几场秀看完的确心理感受有些微妙,他当然是睿智的,但是同样的,他关于LGBTQ,关于me too运动的一些观点的确让我不适,是他高高在上的态度让我不适,“让我来告诉你们me too应该如何开展才是对的”。但是肉眼可见的是他对黑人的问题才是发自内心的在意,所以即便他讲了黑人的笑话,大家也都能理解他的“同理心”在哪,并不会受到冒犯,但是关于LGBTQ或者女性问题,我感受不到他的同理心,这时候他又只需要大家都是“人”即可了——然而黑人的问题却不能放在这个“人”的环境去讲,这时候又要单拎出来讲黑人历史了。。。也许就是这种“双标”会让我感到不适吧。另外最后一个故事虽然感人,但是实际上“目标对象”是含糊的。
就,不是那么好笑,有些地方属于我自己get不到。Space Jews就还行()另外,拿出Trans喜剧演员Daphne Dorman的故事,效果的确很好,悲情且温情(你爸爸是个伟大的女人!),但正像有人尖锐地指出的,这很接近与某些人宣称的,「I'm not racist, I have black friends」
开局一般 但越走越牛逼越深刻 讨论的全是当下最热最有争议 hard to even start with的话题 视角独到 like pissing in the wind to various facets of cancel culture 我的打分一路从三星到四到五星 金句频出 although that’s besides the point 还是想记录这句直接让我笑喷的话:”I whooped the toxic masculinity out of that bitch!l”
没看评论之前还真以为他对那位自杀的跨性别朋友有什么深厚的感情,看来只是拿去世的朋友当恐跨的挡箭牌
It is what it is - 他告诉你他从他的中年爹味视角把自己对不同的群体愿意让步多少当笑话讲罢了 笑话还是好笑话只是难做人 Nish Kumar说过it’s easy to be a left wing comedian - Dave这集就是告诉你做一个不leftwing 的喜剧人是什么下场 - 把你当行业天花板的喜剧爱好者觉得你讲LGBTQ是输出讲政治观点不是喜剧不好笑 激进的少数人群把每个提到自己身份的笑话都当trigger抨击你呼吁cancel你 这世界没人想好好听一个中间派说自己的立场在一个spectrum的什么角度🚬
That Space Jews joke is of the TOP class of all time 👍🏿 讲TERF那段ㅠ ㅠ 能不能出个观众席直拍啊妈的 每一个笑话都有不同的人笑不出声hhhh
Dave Chappelle,the GOAT!最后几乎看哭,他描述人的感染力真的一流。"he doesn't punch up,he doesn't punch down,he punches lines,and he is a master."
believe or not,相互开不论种族玩笑还是什么群体玩笑比政治正确更能减少歧视更能让大家成为一家人,in fact,政治正确只是歧视的遮羞布,什么时候能一起笑大家才真的在一起了
Kinda like America 抗争是抗争了,但抗争的是自己的抗争,别人的抗争是可以泼冷水甚至踩一脚的;钱已经挣了,老婆孩子热炕头,多方胜利的立场下说自己是empathy的化身,但一说到(trans)women就是bitch,就是suck dick梗。人的局限展露无遗
刀子嘴豆腐心
我也想借用卡拉马佐夫兄弟里说的:首先要善良,其次是正直,最后是永不相忘。
Daphne!最后总是要那么来一下戳心窝子的故事,empathy is bi-sexual, it must go both ways
在奋不顾身地将自己投入了美式身份政治的巨大流沙坑之后,最后来把大的,至于是生是死,都不重要了。
Dave Chappelle(老调重弹地)指出了多元主义的虚伪性,虽然是那种傻白甜低阶版本的文化多元,但也算是很有洞见了。指出这帮团体“宽容别人无关紧要的部分”来遮蔽它们“自己压迫别人的最紧要的环节”。但究竟谁才有权来划分所谓的“多元”呢? Dave怂了(当然,有人会觉得他聪明),没敢说——实际上就是“西方”媒体,是rootless国际资本,是那些winner。“多元”不过是它们垄断各体系间交互渠道的一种手段而已。
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“I knew your father. And he was a wonderful woman.”