是谁在与民主为敌

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主演:约翰·皮尔格

类型:电影地区:英国语言:英语年份:2007

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  这部纪录片是屡屡获奖的导演约翰·皮尔格的新作。[约翰·皮尔格成长於澳洲悉尼,目前定居英国伦敦。他是一位优秀的战地记者、作家与制片家,两度获颁英国新闻界最高荣誉“年度记者”。皮尔格足迹遍及世界各地,最受肯定的报导作品发自柬埔寨(收录于《别对我撒谎》一书)与越南。皮尔格曾荣膺“年度国际记者”与“联合国媒体和平奖”。他的纪录片得过法国“无国界记者”大奖、艾美奖,以及英国电影电视艺术学院颁发的“理查丁伯比奖”。皮尔格三十年来锲而不舍地揭露世事真相、奔走倡导人权,在2003年获颁“苏菲奖”。译者注]本片认为,美国非但没有像声称的那样要给全世界带来民主,反而正竭尽所能地想要扼杀它。  影片单独与美国政府官员进行对话,包括一些特工,他们首次在影片中披露上世纪80年代CIA是如何在拉丁美洲挑起战争的。Pilger认为,真正的大众的民主其实更有可能存在于拉丁美洲的穷乡僻壤间,那儿穷苦人民的民主运动经常被西方忽略了。追风神捕小鬼当家3玩转全家福林中奇遇西北偏北1959宇宙追缉令方世玉之盖世英雄疯人计划福音战士新剧场版:序超人前传第四季呆呆向前冲挪威儿童杯足球赛人狼游戏:死亡游戏的运营人甜蜜地狱之家老枪1975神侠闹金銮浪客剑心最终章追忆篇少女茯苓1:萌乖夫君养成记一个少男的传说狗心大约是爱双生赤狐猫脸老太太一个屌丝的自我修养魔法科高校的劣等生 追忆篇追球之吸睛神展开酸甜打脸爱莎2020伊娃2018八方传奇下辈子我再好好过第二季冰淇淋与雨声血之召唤一切顺利的女孩麻香楼之造梦先生赌侠1999(国语版)老鹰抓小鸡银河解放前线美杜莎之筏犯罪心理 第十季虎胆神鹰芝麻开门九二神雕之痴心情长剑国语

 长篇影评

 1 ) 正解

5.9晚上观。
布什:美国不强迫与我们同类型的政府做不情愿的事情。我们的目标是帮助他们找到自己的声音,得到自由走上自己的道路。
主持人:影片讲述的是人们如何通过奋斗,从现代形式的奴隶制度中让自己取得自由。
尼克松说过:“拉美的人民,根本不关心这个地方。”
美国视拉美为自己“后院”。
受访的查韦斯面对镜头说:民主有一个简单的定义,即林肯说的“民有民治民享”。
2002年,美国背后支持的政变,仅两天过去,就以民众和军队的支持推翻了政变政权。
布什曾承诺要让世界免于邪恶,并要领导这个伟大任务,在任何一块大陆上建立自由社会,这是弥天大谎,需要了解历史,被隐瞒被压制的历史。这个历史可以解释,为何西方国家总是知道许多其他非西方国家的罪恶,却浑然不知我们自己干过的坏事。空白的那个字就是帝国。美帝国的存在很少被承认或者在颂扬战争的侵略主义中被掩盖。最狂妄自大的说法是:没有国家能走自己的路,除非那条道路符合美国的利益,帝国和自由毫不相干。他们是邪恶的,他们是征服、偷窃、控制、秘密。
1945年起,美国曾试图推翻50个政府,其中许多是民选政府。在这个过程中,30个国家被武力攻击和轰炸。第一个被攻击的是危地马拉,香蕉之国。
1950年jocobo arbenz 被民选为总统,那个时代的查韦斯。
美国纽约众议院议员JOSE SERRANO“好大的胆子,距离我们才90英里。过于45年,和我们完全不同体制的政府,好大的胆子,不让美国大企业把你买走,继续如此傲慢地说,绝不会屈服于美国,难道不知道我们是谁?”
Duane Clarridge CIA chieg 中情局拉美部门主管(1981-84)
PHILIP AGEE 中情局特工(1957-68 ):中情局不在乎民主,如果这个政府是民选,且与我们合作,当然很好。如果不合作,那么民主对我们没任何意义。

 2 ) just to learn by what they said

The War On Democracy

Guatemala is going to enter a new era
In which there will be prosperity for the people,
together with liberty for the people.

The question is, why are we supporting El Salvador?
No, the question was, why are we killing priests in El Slvardo?
The answer is, we're not, now, you be quiet.
Prisident Christiani is trying to do a job for democracy
and the lelf-wing guerrillas must not take over El Salvador.

(George W Bush) America will not impose our own style of governement on the unwilling,
our goal instead is to help others to find their own voice,
attain their own freedom, and make their own way.

This film is about the struggle of people to free themelves,
from a morden form of slavery.
Richard Nixon, president of the United States,
once said of Latin America,"People don't give a shit about the place,"
He was wrong,
The grand design of the United States as a morden empire,
was drawn on the hopes of an entire continent
known contemptously as "the back yard"
The extraordinary witnesses in this film
describe a world not as American presidents like to see it,
as useful or expendable,
they describe the power of courage and humanity,
among people with next to noghing.
They reclaim noble words like democracy, freedom, liberation, justice,
and in doing so, they're definding the most basic human rights of all of us
in a war being waged against all of us.



THE WAR ON DEMOCRACY
A FILM BY JOHN PILGER


This is Caracas, capital of Venezuela
one of the richest countries in Latin America
thanks to huge deposits of oil
The rich in Venezuela live in leafy suburbs
with names like Country Club
Their spiritual homes are Miami and Washington

The majority live in what are known as barrios
on hillsides in breeze-block houses that defy gravity
In the past these people had been invisible-
excluded from their own soceity
Today they display the confidence of those
who know an extraordinary change has come to their lives

This is Hugo Chavez president of Venezuela the voice of the barrios
Chavez and his supporters have won ten elections in eight years
(cheering)
He's the symbol of an awakening of people powerdriven by great popular movenments that are unique to Latin America

The days of the old bosses and barons are over,That false, elite democracy is over in Venezuela,


It's no surprise that Chavez, with the help of an aggressive media coverage
has become a hate figure in the United States
because what he represents is another way
and a threat to Amecrican domination

(# Rock music)
……

(Speaking Spanish)
……

-Let me ask about you, personally,
I mean, travelling with you for the last couple of days,
I've seen a man who's clearly deeply committed
to what you want for the Venezuelan people,
Could you describe where that came from?
-I was born in a very poor home,a peasant home, so I experienced poverty,
I was a poor child, barefoot,
My father was a teacher at a rural school, and my mother too,
I had a beautiful grandmother, She was Indian, She filled me with love,
My grandmother taught me a lot,
and I learned from her about solidarity with other people,
about sharing the bread even when there's little to eat,
Later,I went into the army, the military academy, and I became a soldier,
And there I found out about Bolivar and started to realise what the truth was,

Simon Bolivar is venerated in Latin America
as the liberator from Spanish colonialism
Bolivar believed that freedom only came
when people united against all invaders no matter their disguise

Today the people of Latin America are again rising up
against an empire built on an extreme form of capitalism
know as the Washington Consensus
Whole countries have been privatized put up for sale
their natural wealth sold to foreign companies, for peanuts
In Venezuela they said "No more"

This is La Vega a barrio of a million people
Mariela Machadoo has lived here most of her life
She knows what it's like to be excluded in her own country

I can give you a very specific example on the maps,
All these hills and houses did not figure-they were shown as green spaces,
That was before Chavez's government,
Before Chavez, we did not feel a part of this society.

This is called a mission
It's a kind of parellel government
designed to bypass the old bureaucracy
and deliver real benefits to ordinary people
This is raw democracy- a triumph of the grass roots

Today they're discussing the dream of owning their own homes for the first time

We don't want the deeds just for their own sake,
More important the deeds themselves
is that we own the property in order to develop our cities,
and obtain the rights that have been denied us for so long,
This is the most important thing,
This is not a matter of getting the deeds and saying,"I'm sorted now, I can go,"
and stop coming to the parish assemblies,
because after the deeds, there are better things to come,
Like the development of our barrios.

Soon after Chavez was elected in 1999 Venezuelans voted on a constitutiong
and this little blue book has become a bestseller ever since


This is one of a chain of supermarkets set up in the barrios
funded by proceeds of oil
Here prices are kept low
and on the back of every rice and soap powder packet
are printed people's rights under the constitution

-Does it really mean somthing to you to see it there?
-Of course, because I didn't know we had rights like everyone else,
but this one, article 23,
tells us about national politics, and this makes us feel included.

Democracy, as I said recently, before our people,
as Lincoln said, has a simple definition- the difficulty is making it a reality,
We are making it a reality-
government of people, by the people and for the people,
A society where people are included and equal, where there is no exclusion,
there is no poverty, where human values reign.

For some of his supporters Chavez has not gone far enough
Familiar obstacles remain from the past
a stifling bureaucracy and widespread corruption
And although poverty has fallen dramatically in recent years, it's far from eradicated

-When you drive in from the airport and Caracas,
the one thing that shocks a first-visitor
are the barrios, the numbers of poor people,
Why is it, in Venezuela, which earns so many billions of dollars in oil money,
that there still is this poverty, in spite of all the changes you've made?
-The poor of Venezuela carry on being poor, yes,
I always say that we don't want to be rich, our aim is not material wealth,
It is to live with dignity, of course to come out of poverty,
and to come out of extreme poverty above all,
and to live, to live with dignity, this is the objective,
not to become millionaires, the Amecrican way of life, no that is stupid.
I'm teling you this because the issue of poverty affects us deeply,
It's most of our daliy struggle.

……
to be continued..

 3 ) 一点看法,可以拍砖。

记得xz报道时那些来自国际rq组织的死亡人数的数字吗?几天内就是几千人。记得在摄像头前哭诉的那一张张痛苦的藏人的脸吗?每个人都哭叫民主,自由,还有独立。

torture, violation, beat,prison,这些词在经过3。14以后,我总是觉得特别带有政治色彩。纪录片和新闻一样,煽情过后还是要明白,如果一方看起来特别的正确,一方看起来是devil,那肯定我们错过了某些复杂的因素。

虽然在片中作为反面人物出现,我倒是挺喜欢duane clarrice,很直接,“凡是危机到国家安全的,我们都要干预,不管你喜欢于否!看不惯也要适应着看!”这句话才是政治的真谛。他说智利在皮诺切特独裁下经济有很大变化,就好比中国说xz的经济变化一样。他说死了2万人是夸大,是智利的政治意图,实际上是几百人。几万人是屠杀,几百人是正当防卫。

要民主必须先要有国家政权才行。国家安全其实还不是国家的经济利益。另外,金钱是尺码已经是不灭的事实了。

 4 ) 应该把这人送到朝鲜去

我承认,我亲美,这可能是我看了一半就删除了该片的一部分原因。但我更愿意相信删除它是因为我那略微比普通人多了那么一点点的传播学知识。

一般都认为电视新闻的可信度要比文字高,因为它能还原现场的视觉、听觉。而文字就如语言,可以随便瞎说,可以随便篡改。

但其实电视节目并无二致,也是一种符号的言说。只不过语言用词汇、句子构成意思,电视用则是用视觉片段加上剪辑。

正是因为电视也是可以剪辑的,事实当然也就是可以被改写的。经过剪辑,不好的可以变得没那么不好,甚至还可以直接变成好的。当然更加干脆的方法则是不报,报喜不报忧,《新闻联播》就是最好的例证。

还有一个关键概念,就是语境。这个就不多说了,简单来说就是去医院检查身体时提供的大便和平时你拉的大便虽然同为大便,但他们又并不都是同样的大便的意思。

我还记得这个片子中让我比较鄙视的东西:
1、“查韦斯上台后,全民公决了宪法。”
查韦斯真牛逼,一上台就能让人改变宪法。如果布什上台后能全民公决宪法,直接把“既然是United States of America,Latin America也要是美国的一部分”写入宪法,那委内瑞拉早就变成联邦中的一个state了。

2、一段反对查韦斯的示威者的镜头,示威者的表情被放大到整个屏幕。
没有字幕,我不知道镜头中的反查者们都说了什么。不过这反倒更让我注意到了制作方的别有用心。他们用了一个不是学影视的人都不知道的技巧:人的脸不能占满屏幕,要不然会显得突兀、丑陋。那些示威者们,也都是普通老百姓,只不过是持有不同政见,代表着不同的利益罢了,你凭什么那样丑化他们的形象?我相信制作者选取的也是一些不很理智的意见,可他们能说出那样的话,正因为他们也是普通老百姓。他们的诉求,就不民主了?

3、对政变的解释采用了查韦斯的“绑架”版。
查韦斯说他被绑架了,别人不让他说话,是其他人密谋策划了他辞职的假象以欺骗群众。依我看这个事情双方各有各的理,谁都说不清楚。当时小查可能真的以为大势已去,已经辞职了也不一定呢。真是可怜了那个女环境部长,她可能也是被蒙在鼓里的。看周围人的反应也应该知道,政要们对查韦斯的下台的消息已经没有什么疑惑了,他们只是点头,散开。拍这个片子的英国人真该死,一个劲地说是阴谋,根本没想过为那个女部长澄清。

最后小查说自己是被绑架了,从来都没有说过要辞职的说法之所以能被接收,搞惯政治斗争的中国人应该最能理解。

值得一提的是,虽然制作者口口声声说军队试图推翻查维斯,并以武力绑架了他,不过最后查韦斯的重新上位不也是所谓的总护卫队以武力威慑达到的么?狗咬狗,一嘴毛,你个英国佬在里面掺和什么。

4、英国佬质问美国某基金支持反查势力时的态度。
天啊,我从来没见过如此傲慢的记者。即便是华莱士采访塔利班的时候也只是抱着怀疑的态度。你可以不信,你可以反对,但你不可以把头昂过去斜眼不听,这是对人的起码尊重,更是记者应有的起码职业状态。同样受到了不公正对待的还有那个有钱人,别人有钱怎么着了?别人的钱现在是没有变少,但查的那些能够凌驾于法律之上的政策加大了别人的风险。只要是人都是趋利避害的吧?别人移民迈阿密怎么了,你喜欢别人从你口袋里掏钱?别人好心请你进屋,你却说别人坏话,这也太不厚道了吧?这英国佬可真“没道德”。

5、公布所谓的对反查势力的资助时,忽略对资金的介绍,忽略受资助的对象,一笔带过。到最后我都不知道那个基金是国有的还是私人的,而且那个基金只是基金,并不代表国家意愿吧?怎么能随便把帽子往美国头上扣呢?

其他被忽略了重要信息的还有很多,例如什么banana country的moderate的land reform,land reform有多moderate或者violent,根本一点没说嘛。

你们这些英国共产主义者们还真是站着说话不腰疼。先别说什么democracy之类的东西,先给我回答一个问题:民主就一定是穷人从有钱人口袋里掏钱的均富运动么!?

用在别处看到的一句话作结吧:你们这些人的脑垂体嵌入五角星了啊!?

 5 ) “已经很久了,但我知道,变革终将到来。”

占满山头的贫民窟在地图上被标注为绿地。
美国干扰智利、委内瑞拉等国的民主,只为了自己的石油利益。
美国支持拉美国家的独裁统治。
智利很多人相信最好还是闭嘴。“我们不属于一个民主国家,因为民主一词被人滥用了。它的含义并不被人理解”
玻利维亚的一个前总统贱卖国家自然资源给美国,民众反抗,赶走了他。2005年选出了一位土著民总统。
“已经很久了,但我知道,变革终将到来。”

 6 ) 主观为本国,客观为世界

美国会对本国的纳税人负责,会对本国人讲民主,并允许揭露自身虚伪的作品存在,这种精神希望落后国家也能在不久的将来做到。

 短评

national security my axx

8分钟前
  • sabretooth
  • 力荐

自己的权利要自己去争取,不要等到强权者掠夺走后才开始悔恨。

9分钟前
  • 行走的鸡血
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美国也并非一片圣地...

12分钟前
  • Kashing
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深思

16分钟前
  • Lo
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没有太多新的东西。倒是能看到媒体与官方口径的合作是美国长期使用的策略。第一次知道委内瑞拉比中国要政治开明……

20分钟前
  • 老常
  • 还行

同样一面倒的电影。既然不同意,不看得了,这显然是强盗逻辑。那么不妨这么看,既然同意,干嘛不在里面找支持的例证,既然不同意,何不在里面找反例?只是前提需要抛弃脑中固有的偏见,这很难,但并没有难到比铁杵磨成针的地步

22分钟前
  • 稔之
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日光之下,并无新事。

27分钟前
  • Rinn
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第一次看部记录片看到声泪俱下!仿佛置身于黑暗的中世纪~~

31分钟前
  • 桃喜
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“民主”真是一个被用烂了的词,如果民主的“民”真的包括了贫穷的大多数的话,那么美国才是民主最大的敌人

33分钟前
  • Howe
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还好是英国人拍的 否则肯定有人上来就说全是瞎编的

35分钟前
  • 青青
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看得我感动啊,震撼啊!!媒体确实信不得

40分钟前
  • jan_wl
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看完这部电影,就别再跟我扯什么普世价值观了

42分钟前
  • alexmaoist
  • 还行

凶手就是你,真相只有一个

44分钟前
  • tongzhou930
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里面有阿连德自杀前的广播讲话

45分钟前
  • 袁长庚
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1 作为纪录片本身来说有点怂 2 每每听到这片中阿连德总统的最后一段录音 我都有点想哭的冲动 3 记得波拉尼奥的《荒野侦探》里那个委内瑞拉的老作家对两个年轻人说了什么么? “我是一个托派分子 蒂娜赫罗她也是” 然后贝拉诺和利马又去拿了一瓶新酒

46分钟前
  • INsomnia
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民主不是完美的

49分钟前
  • 蜗牛
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看完这个片子 再回头看看中国 古巴 我们走过来真不容易

54分钟前
  • 蛮子
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This piece of art shows spirit of another respectful and responsible journalist in our current time.

56分钟前
  • 辉夜姬
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民主即我主。呵呵后。

60分钟前
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3月28號john pilger要在墨爾本的marxist conference裏面作報告, 早已買好票. 非常期待! democracy belongs to the street, the barrios, the fields and the minds of people.

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